Then I stare at the ceiling until 2am 
I get into bed when I feel exhausted, aka falling asleep where I stand or sit, or when I get into bed and read for a bit to shut down my mind, it doesnt matter, wide awake or dead on my feet, the moment I am in bed I am wide awake
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mornings!
@Wyvz perhaps try and sleep in front of the tv then(that is if you fall asleep there)ā¦ some sleep is better than noneā¦
also the hubby was very annoyed with me this morning. he said i woke him up 3 times last night talking in my sleepā¦(of course i can remember none of this nor can i even remember dreaming anything)
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I have a white noise app that I use - its frustrating, I doze for 30mins at a time with the app. The light from the tv keeps me awake, when the noise helps me fall asleep
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Morninā all
Another busy weekā¦
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Oh ya, I got to try out my new skates last night.
I still have a pulled muscle so I couldnāt really push myself, but I was told my hockey stance looks a lot better.
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Yay that is awesome news dude!
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Have you read up on basic sleep hygiene?
Iām a master sleeper - the only time I really struggle is when Iām caffeinated; and even then it means lying awake for 30 minutes instead of 10
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From what I can see:
- Limiting daytime naps to 30 minutes . Napping does not make up for inadequate nighttime sleep. However, a short nap of 20-30 minutes can help to improve mood, alertness and performance.
- Avoiding stimulants such as caffeine and nicotine close to bedtime. And when it comes to alcohol, moderation is key 4. While alcohol is well-known to help you fall asleep faster, too much close to bedtime can disrupt sleep in the second half of the night as the body begins to process the alcohol.
- Exercising to promote good quality sleep. As little as 10 minutes of aerobic exercise, such as walking or cycling, can drastically improve nighttime sleep quality. For the best nightās sleep, most people should avoid strenuous workouts close to bedtime. However, the effect of intense nighttime exercise on sleep differs from person to person, so find out what works best for you.
- Steering clear of food that can be disruptive right before sleep. Heavy or rich foods, fatty or fried meals, spicy dishes, citrus fruits, and carbonated drinks can trigger indigestion for some people. When this occurs close to bedtime, it can lead to painful heartburn that disrupts sleep.
- Ensuring adequate exposure to natural light. This is particularly important for individuals who may not venture outside frequently. Exposure to * sunlight during the day, as well as darkness at night, helps to maintain a healthy sleep-wake cycle .
- Establishing a regular relaxing bedtime routine. A regular nightly routine helps the body recognize that it is bedtime. This could include taking warm shower or bath, reading a book, or light stretches. When possible, try to avoid emotionally upsetting conversations and activities before attempting to sleep.
- Making sure that the sleep environment is pleasant. Mattress and pillows should be comfortable. The bedroom should be cool ā between 60 and 67 degrees ā for optimal sleep. Bright light from lamps, cell phone and TV screens can make it difficult to fall asleep4, so turn those light off or adjust them when possible. Consider using blackout curtains, eye shades, ear plugs, āwhite noiseā machines, humidifiers, fans and other devices that can make the bedroom more relaxing.
I do all the above, even using f.lux on pc and similar versions on phone and tablet. (tablet i use to read on for the last 30mins before I sleep normally) but I am an insomnia sufferer and will finally cave to taking meds. But i want to avoid that as much as possible.
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Never heard of it.
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Do you read in bed?
If youāre already following good practices, medicine is probably the next best thing
@czc You must have, probably just donāt know it as āSleep Hygieneā ?
Reading in bed is my final step, but I tend to read only 5 or 10 pages, then I feel myself falling asleep. I turn it all off, even ensure that ALL lights are covered with a towel or some such. Turn the noise machine on and concentrate on my breathing and try and slow my everything down. Even tried meditation to sleep. The last cup of coffee I have is at 8pm, and I am on only 3 cups a day.
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The only other advice I can think of is to not read in bed. Teach your brain that lying in bed is for shutdown and sleep.
Iāve seen suggestions you shouldnāt have caffeine after 12.
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Weirdly the reading helps me shut off, as for the coffee, i tried not drinking any at night for 2 weeks, it didnt make a difference. I am not like most people the caffiene doesnt affect me as much
So yea i know I am close to going for meds - I am first trying the CBD oil.
Please tell me this is degrees Fahrenheit and not hellā¦
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Yep 
18 - 20 degrees celsius
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Hahaha I ignore that message 
Feck just paid R1k for a spare car key
I think you have work yourself so up on I need sleep that you canāt shut down.
Since its been so long your body and mind have so many diffrent signals.
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Wyvern do you know about the sleep with me podcast?