The Formula 1 Thread šŸŽ

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I wouldnā€™t mind another race at Portimao, but I think Istanbul makes a more likely and logistically sensible choice for a replacement. Then those rigs can move down to Italy while the flyaway rigs they used in Australia are moved to Miami.

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Sixteen of The Race journalists and contributors predict the points and rank of the teams next year. Their consensus is that the Red Bulls run is done. Merc will reascend the throne, while a reforming Ferrari will benefit from RBs cost cap punishment and slot in between the two. Makes for an interesting read:

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Honda Thanks Day, Max and Marc team up and some other people we may have heard of. Feel free to repost this to MotoGP :wink:

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Have i missed their se ret santa one?

Unexpected

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I guess this confirms it.
Vasseur to Ferrari

Edit: Yep, that didnā€™t take long at all.

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And there goes Seidl as wellā€¦
Musical F1 bosses. All in one day

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Now I am starting to panic

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I sadly donā€™t have the time to keep up with manager drama AND driver drama and watch F1ā€¦so Iā€™m not sure if any of this news is good or bad for ferrari. any TLDR summary someone can provide?

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Ferrari, as is their (stupid, illogical, dumb) tradition, has once again failed to accept their poor season* is a collective issue. Theyā€™ve once again decided that 3 years is enough time for an F1 Team Principal to win Championships and not looked at the two most successful teams of the last 20 years - Mercedes and Red Bull - and realised that one of the things that MB and RB have in common is having the same Team Principal for extended periods. Even through ā€œbadā€ years.

Horner has been Red Bull TP for 17 years; Wolff has been at the head of MB for the last 10 years. In the 15 years since Ferrariā€™s last Constructors World Championship in 2008, Red Bull and Mercedes (if we include Brawn in 2009) have won every CWC trophy. Ferrari in that same period have had 4 different Team Principals: Domenicali, Mattiacci, Arrivabene, and Binotto.

With Jean Todt being the last non-Italian, one of the longest serving, and the most successful of the Ferrari team bosses, maybe theyā€™re hoping Vasseur can emulate him.

Todt was there for 14 years and won 6 Drivers and 7 Constructors Championships for Ferrari. Proof again that longevity in your Team Principal produces better results than tossing them aside every third year.

* ā€œpoor seasonā€ in Ferrariā€™s over ambitious expectations. 2022 was one of their best seasons in ages, on paper.

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Well put!

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Exactly, and I thought that the whole move to Binotto was going to be a new way of giving a team principal an actual chance(or maybe that was his wish), and funny enough, Binotto was starting to do that, things were turning around. yes this year was a shit show but its all part of growing as a team.

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I want to add to this. Looking at each of those Team Principles from Mercedes and Red Bull, each has more accountability within their teams than most other Team Principles. Horner is not only the Team Principle, he is the CEO of Red Bull Racing. Toto Wolff is not just the Team Principle, he is a majority shareholder in the larger corporation of the Mercedes Racing team. With those positions comes more power and authority in not just the daily work of the racing team, but the overall direction and strategy of the businesses as well.

Ferrari Team Principles are not in the same position of authority as other teams. They report to a board of directors within Ferrari that only sees the F1 team as a line item on financial reports, and only worry about what the Italian media have to say about them. They are more worried about image and profit than other teams. When Jean Todt was in charge of the Ferrari team, he was more than just the TP, he was the General Manager as well. That position brought with it additional abilities to restructure the team correctly. And after a few short years coming close, the dominance of Ferrari from 1999 to 2004 started.

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Very good summary, as well as yours, @GregRedd.

One thing to add is that Ferrari has this tendency of appointing from within the company, as reward for oneā€™s loyalty, rather than identifying someone who is right for the job.
Domenicali joined Ferrari in '95 as a sponsorship guy with a finance background.
Mattiaci was a Ferrari area sales from '99, with a degree in economics.
Arrivabene joined Ferrari in 2010, but really worked with them from '97 in tobacco sponsorship he comes from a marketing background.
Binotto, at least, is an engineer by training, and joined the Scuderia in '95.

Jean Todt, on the other hand, was a rally co-driver, then director of the Peugeot rally racing team, before joining Ferrari. Racing pedigree! I think, the clue is to appoint someone with actual racing team management experience, and give them 5-10 years to get success.

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<< insert surprised Pikachu face here >>

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Everything we said about it, just two days later :slight_smile:

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