Yes definitely this is a good conversation to have.
Let me put it this way, I have never gone for a flu shot as long as I have been able to think and make choices of my own and honestly with everyone that knows me as a witness I recover from a cold or flu within 3 days.
When I had covid, I had no cough, but had all other symptoms which lasted all of 3 days as well.
The only thing I’m still stuck with is no taste and no smell.
The thing that bugs me is that if everyone vaccinates then it helps reduce the spread of Covid.
For instance you had Covid twice, @jaydogg86 . Personally I have gone out of my way to not get sick. I wore double masks, kept my distance from people and even at the gym, I stood my ground and told people to stay away from me while I exercise. I took all the preventative measures and I stayed covid free. And the vaccination is another preventative to not get seriously sick, and to help the world reduce the spread of the virus.
And of course most people that die, die in hospital. For many people it’s a last resort.
As for “two family members of friends of mine died after getting the vaccine.” I highly highly doubt that. Except if they were either very old, or had covid when they got the vaccine.
Are you saying they died of the vaccine?
And I really appreciate you (and the others) engaging in the manner you are. I will continue to endeavour to to have this convo with bucketloads of respect and regard - my dream is for you (and everyone!) to feel comfortable with getting the vax, not for anyone to take it in spite of having apprehensions!
See I got comfortable and excited to take it after speaking to a friend of mines husband who is a doc at Tygerberg. He put my fears to rest. So for me it was an obvious choice, I have comorbidities, and I really do not want to end up on a vent, I have a DNR for a reason. So that would make treating me very difficult, his words, and I have been lucky to the extent that I have not managed to get it yet, but its a case of when not if.
Ok, lets get personal. My wife refuses to get the vaccine. Internally I am raging against her decision and think it is so irresponsible, especially since she is a teacher.
But out of everyone in the world, I respect her above anyone else so all I can do is remind her every now and then how important it is to get vaccinated.
If I can keep such a degree of moderation with someone so close to me then I can sure do it with people I hardly or know at all. I can just do the same for them, try to remind them how dangerous it is for other people if they do not get vaccinated.
Well I feel the question is a valid one. There’s a large negative stereotype attached to “anti vaxxer”, and I thought it would be interesting to discuss it with regards to specifically covid, since its incredibly relevant and used almost exclusively now when discussing covid vaccine. Therefore, yes, I personally feel the label matters.
EDIT: I find a distinction between those that are anti vaccination, and those that are anti/skeptical covid vaccination. But that label groups them together, removing the nuance. and nuance is where discussion/conversation and civil debate thrives.
I think you nailed it there.
The term anti-vaxxer was already growing rampant on social media and the like in the few years leading up to the pandemic. Now an already rabid part of society has gotten worse. I’ll probably get a lot of flak for saying this, but we’ve gotten too good at keeping ourselves alive. It is a privilege. Death and diseases are a part of life. If some people choose to wait to see long term effects, or are just plain ignorant, I’m fine with that. People like their torches and pitchforks, and to jump on the hate bandwagon! I am not ok with that. Seriously. Just shut up.
I know for one, I’ll be labelled an anti-vaxxer if they ever start using those quantum dot tattoos MIT developed.
Everything seems to be public betas these days… Operating systems, software, video games… and now vaccines. At least the vaccines go through scientific process first.
And yes, I do have my first jab already.
Remember, it’s called “Early Access” now.
It is certainly one of the types out there, ya.
Just for the record, when I said “just shut up”, I’m talking about the general public. Everyone here is being civil.
As a parent, may I just say:
Nope on a rope!
Seriously chaps??
NWOreport, Infowars, FakeNewsNinja, FinancialSurvivalNetwork, BitChute, AboveTopSecret, TrumpNews, are just some of the right-wing nutjob sites parroting this kak story. Using words like “force jabbing”, “herding students”, “banning parents”, “police state” is a very obvious indication that what you’re reading needs a little bit of introspection and critical review. That you have assumed that such an obviously flawed story is gospel is silly.
Do you honestly think that Australians would let anything remotely like this happen. Your immediate reactions were “not a bloody chance!” Why would you imagine an average Australian parent would react any differently?
For the record: This is a heavily edited, and clearly misrepresented, clip of a press conference that took place weeks ago. It shows the state Health Minister explaining how a mass vaccination center was being set up for Year 12 students to get their vaccines. It’s not happening next week. It started happening on Monday. Correction: It started last week Monday and finished on the 14th.
Thousands of teenagers will be able to receive a Pfizer jab from Monday until August 14 at the newly opened mass vaccination hub at Qudos Bank Arena in Sydney Olympic Park.
Up to 24,000 eligible students will be vaccinated over this week.
Apologies. I have removed the post as I do not wish to cite misinformation. My apologies again.
No worries Beo, it’s all good. It does illustrate just how easily and quickly the misinformation spreads though. Designed and packaged to trigger the exact response you and Oltman had. And clearly it’s very effective - that Twitter video clip has almost 780 000 views already. And that’s just on one copy of it that’s doing the rounds on Twitter.
Yeah, sorry, I did not even watch the clip. I knew it would never happen. I thought my response was cheeky enough to make it obvious.
I am a big believer in fact checking and am the voice of reason (and THAT GUY!) who points out everyone else’s fake news on Whatsapp groups.
I missed the original post and context here. Quick unrelated question though for interest sake (since I see you posted a link)… is Skynews Australia considered credible? They seem to be very right-leaning (which is fine), but some of the clips that have popped up in my Youtube from them doesn’t seem extremely professional which is why I’ve been taking them with a grain of salt.
I actually watch quite a bit of their videos. I’d say they’re about as credible as any other news source out there, in that they all push their own views in some way or another. Not all the reporters on there agree with each other either, so while it is very right, they still have opposing views to each other at times.
The original post was a link to a doctored video doing the rounds on Twitter that claimed the Aussie government were going to forcibly vaccinate thousands of school children in a mass stadium setting and that their parents were being excluded from the whole thing.
Sky News Australia is a NewsCorp / Murdoch owned channel, and is, as you suggested, notably right-leaning in its reporting*. They had their YouTube Channel temporarily suspended recently because of the questionable quality of some of their covid related reporting. That’s part of the reason I posted that link to their story - if there was anything even vaguely sinister or underhand about what was happening, they’d definitely be reporting on it.
* that’s probably a little unfair on the reporting part of their programming which is generally fair and unbiased. It’s their “pundits” and “opinion as news” shows and presenters that push the right-leaning side of their programming.
Thanks, good to know for when I come across their videos again.
I don’t mind reporting from a conservative viewpoint as long as it is accurate. I’ve become rather skeptic of the American news networks.
That makes sense. I read all this now and was like WTF is everyone on about???
Sorry everyone.