Coronavirus - COVID-19

Second this sentiment totally. That is why I let you guys debate and I can wholeheartedly agree with you

That they refer to Covid-19 as the “Wuhan Virus” in the video description is enough of an indication to me that there’s a slanted agenda at play here. Didn’t watch the whole thing… was it mentioned that the whistleblower was employed by Ventavia for just around two weeks way back in September 2020?

If the claims are accurate and the vaccine is compromised, why wait for over a year before making them public? What sort of cold, callous, heartless human being sits around and watches as millions of doses of a vaccine, that they believe was approved on false data, get administered around the world? Besides, how much insight into things could someone gain in around two weeks, especially if the job you’re doing has no connection to the clinical trials the claims are about?

The accuser was employed for approximately two weeks in September 2020, and no part of her job responsibilities concerned the clinical trials at issue.

Short summary of the claims and the impact of them here: Pfizer whistleblower’s claims of ‘misconduct’ during safety trials | 7NEWS

That goes for just about any news agency, ya… I’ve seen quite a few of their other news stories, and they do seem to be very opinionated pieces.

I appreciate your response.

My biggest issue is I have no faith in humanity any more. Everything from software and hardware to vaccines all feel like public betas to me these days.

Sounds to me like the people running this world. At least imho.

Sorry for sounding so cynical…

How many mutations does it take for this to no longer be COVID-19?

Waiting for COVID-21? or COVID-22?

Okay so I’m not vaccinated and don’t plan to get vaccinated.
I’ve had Covid twice and the first time it last about 8 days, then I got the delta variant in September it lasted about 4 days.

For me personally I don’t see a reason to take it, I have not taken the flu shots either since I was able to make my own decisions.
Yes I still get the flu but it’s never something that lasts for more than 2 days.

Well I digress on the main topic.
My whole family had covid who are all unvaccinated, I’ve only lost my dad to covid, but not actually covid.
My whole family has had covid twice and both times were infected by people who were vaccinated, different people.
All recovered by the mercy of the Almighty (yes I’m religious, sorry not sorry)

I just feel like this feels all to familiar like a modern aged Apartheid.
“Oh you aren’t vaccinated, you are not allowed here, get out of here or we will arrest you”, “This place is for vaccinated people only”

Now you can hate on me all you want for not wanting to be vaccinated but pushing a mandate on me is basically trying to force me into a corner and doing something I don’t want to do.
It’s like a gang of people trying to get me to do drugs when I’ve never done drugs my entire life, but they corner you and tell you that if you don’t take this drug then you will fucking stay where you are until you do what we say and do what we want.

I have nothing against you that has gone to vaccinate yourself, that was your choice and I will not attack you for it, but don’t attack me for not wanting to do something I don’t want to do.

I just heard a theory, although data is obviously still coming in, but this new wave might actually be a blessing. This new strain seems to be less serious and it is replacing all the other, more serious strains. Also something in there about this strain helping to build up immunity or something. Heard it very briefly in passing so I’m not sure about all the details and obviously new data in the coming weeks may lend support for or against this.

If it turns out to be true then all the asshole countries that placed travel restrictions on us, basically screwed themselves.

I’ve had the same suspicion and have been secretly hoping for the same outcome. If this “eliminates” the other strains and ends up being “just another flu” that gets weaker with each mutation, then we might just see the end of the pandemic in the coming months.

Don’t know how true this is, because I take all media and news companies with a pinch of salt these days

Not sure if true, but if it is, the catch is that you have had to survive it first. A lot of people won’t know if they’ll survive it until they’ve had Covid in which case it would be too late. I think there was also something along the lines of the immunity only lasting about 3 to 6 months after recovery (not sure if that data has been updated with newer information… I haven’t been following).

This. If getting shot in the chest would get you immunity to getting shot in the chest, would you do it?

It’s great for if you already had COVID, but it’s a terrible strategy for the population at large. The natural immunity has also been shown to be shortlived compared to the vaccines, even though it offers similar protection.

I wonder if natural immunity differentiates well between the different strains?

Why would it though? Mutation is random, by definition, equal chance of getting a weaker mutation than getting a more deadly mutation.

Mutations are random, by definition, yes but the prevalence of any given mutation is not. The virus could have a random mutation that instantly kills an infected but such a mutation would die with its host. The mutations that allow a covid variant to successfully pop its head onto epidemiologist’s radar are 1. transmissibility and 2. ability to avoid “cure” by the immune system of its host.

As mentioned before death rate is actually a negative factor to the survival of a virus. Combine it with 1 and 2, and you get a medically disastrous variant. The omicron has a LOT of mutations to its makeup/shape and abilities that make it different from the first base type. Some of them have no effect at all on us, some do. One notable one is that it infects younger humans a lot more than any other variants. This is number 2 at work.

Short opinion: there is no “getting weaker” with each mutation/s, there is just change to drive its reproduction. We keep changing the shape of the holes and it will keep changing its shape to see which one can get through.

It’s just what I’ve been reading on various sources. An article on MyBB this morning also talks about it. They equate it to the lifecycle of the Spanish Flu. History is our best teacher, so lets hope this follows historical trends.

Apparently from an evolutionary standpoint, it wants people to stick around, not kill them. If it kills the hosts, they’ve got nowhere to go.

Yup, indeedy

It doesn’t “want” anything… the mutations are random. It’s true that if a virus mutates to be too deadly, it’ll kill the host before spreading. But the corollary is not that the virus is more likely to mutate to be less deadly… The corollary is that the virus will not mutate to be too deadly.

Look at TB, for instance. It mutated into the much deadlier, drug resistant strain, common in most of Africa. It still kills slowly enough that is has plenty of opportunity to spread. HIV has a similar deadlier strain common in Africa.

We’ve already seen that COVID-19 can be deadlier than the current prevalent Omicron strain, so there’s no reason that the next random mutation won’t be as deadly as previous strains - so long as it isn’t too deadly…

Not really my words though. I was quoting a doctor or scientist from an earlier article. Guessing it was just a way to communicate in plain English.

So, I am in isolation at home. Went for my test today and will hear more tomorrow. Showing symptoms and would rather make sure before I spend Christmas with the elderly and vulnerable. If this test is positive then my wife will hate me. She has not seen her sister in 2 years

Luckily the new PC is built and in the quarantine room. No racing rig though. Also, you know you feel like crap when you not even in the mood to play games