Huawei lost its access to Google Services (thanks Trump)

Trump is going to regret this move…

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I see Panasonic is also on the BAN Wagon (pun intended)

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I dunno… ARM has stifled any kind of attempt of building compatible architectures (open source or otherwise) and no-one pushed back too hard because it has always been completely unbiased.

Amber doesn’t seem like it’s ready for primetime.

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Yeah, the only two processors I’d bank on as viable replacements for ARM would be Amber or possibly RISC-V. However RISC V is an even longer shot than Amber.

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thought about mips but thats also a US company

I’m particularly salty about this…

I have P20 Lite that I got in January. I love my phone; an upgrade from the Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 my shop is now using.

You think you’re salty… My mom got the P20 Lite 3 days ago!

Lemme guess, the more recent, the worse it is…? :joy:

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What it effectively means is that if a critical software vulnerability is found after August 2019 on Android you, as a Huawei customer, could be hung out to dry with no means to patch/update your device. Just sitting there, with a gaping unfixable hole in your defenses waiting to be exploited.

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That actually helped put a lot of perspective on this…

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Same, it substantiated my thoughts on it as well.

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ITWeb being irrelevant, misinformed and off the mark

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Research in Motion (RIM aka Blackberry) failed because they were being conservative in their approaches. Hell, even when the writing was on the wall they still insisted on manufacturing their own devices to work with their operating system. By the time RIM allowed 3rd parties to use some of its services like BBM you already saw the rise of WhatsApp.

KAiOS…let’s just call it out for what it really is a branch of FirefoxOS which has already been shelved by Mozilla. KAiOS is hugely popular…in India. What the author seems to miss is that it’s not because the OS is good, it’s because the devices that run the OS are cheap. The “flagship” model device costs R300. Yes that is R300 South African Rands. You can buy the MTN Smart S 3G “smartphone” which runs this OS if you really want to experience it.

Most of us don’t care about the OS. We care about the store. And services. And the app developers will follow the users and the device players. So the apps will be adapted fast to the new OS and be adopted fast by users to whom this change will be invisible. And if the Chinese players change, well, we will follow them.

Remember, we are now selling billions of phones a year. So this change will happen fast. This would leave only American consumers on Android, which is not sustainable. This leaves the servicing and migration of existing users as the only issue. But given device replacement cycles, this too is not insurmountable.

Application developers will develop where they have a userbase. This has little to do with OS, device manufacturer or any other preference. What helps a great deal is that mobile development between iOS and Android is similar enough to easily develop an app for both with minimal modifications.

At the very least what Trump (not Google, because Google is only acting under instruction of the US Department of Commerce) has done is poked the bear. Huawei has been doing underhanded things for years. I remember evaluating Huawei OceanStor SAN devices a couple of years ago and started picking up communications to China from these devices on our network AFTER turning off all telemetry and phone-home functionality. I specifically asked Huawei why the device was communicating to a server(s) in China and never got a satisfactory answer. They blamed firmware, software, user error (even after they configured it, it still sent crap).

I don’t trust Huawei with my data or anywhere I have any say in the matter.

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The OrangeFcuker is just playing games

Ya, I hear ya. I got cornered into letting someone install some CCTV cameras for the neighbouring road (I was being a good neighbour when I said yes), and they had one of those Dahua PVRs. I had it on my network because I had my own gate cameras installed on it, so I could check from home. Thankfully it was firewalled properly, because the danged thing was scanning my network and trying to send the info to china. I unplugged the thing instantly.

Don’t. Trust. China.

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As much as I don’t like Trump, I agree that there is more at play here than “Trump is throwing a tantrum”.

The US needs to do something about its trade deficit with China. It is under constant “cyber” attack. Smarter Every day had some excellent videos about this, which I’'ll embed below.

Furthermore, Chinese Internet users are simply blocked from accessing several large US online services (Facebook and Twitter, but also Wikipedia). While people mostly see this as a principle issue (free speech vs. communism/socialism), I’d imagine business- and government-types see it as a trade issue. China has unfettered access to basically the rest of the world’s Internet, but it gets to cut off overseas businesses as it sees fit without any real consequences.

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